[drmanhattan]

So I just checked the graphs for RS population, and I'm rather surprised.
First of all I'm surprised that RS is still on steady rise it seems in long-term.

But more importantly, since the end of 2015 the OSRS has had more player in average that RS3 - and now it's more than double.

Personally, I first played RS in 2001. And I saw the reaction to the launch of RS2 - how people disliked the change at first. And the same to RS3 etc. RS population generally don't like changes. But what I'm trying to say is - I don't see the appeal in OSRS, despite the fact that I've been there. I have the sense of nostalgia. But I also like progress. RS3 might seem chaotic at first glance, and it is to a degree, since it's the accumulation of 17 years of constant updates and developments. But...

But... I'm getting of on a tangent.

Why are you playing/botting OSRS instead of RS3?

I'm not here to play or bot. I'm here to write bots. So I don't really care about much else than writing something that people enjoy. So it made me question if maybe I should switch over to OSRS as well. But I just logged in OSRS over a long time, and it just looks so funny and clunky to me...

 

[negrita]

pking & clanning

 

[drmanhattan]

pking & clanning

Okay, I get that... but...
I'd also like to say that I'm not here to bash anyone for playing OSRS, I couldn't care less to be honest. I'd just like to understand is all.

So about PKing - what's better in OSRS? RS3's EOC is certainly different, and I can understand why people were upset when it came out because... changes take time to adjust and all, but it also adds a lot of more depth to combat. Wouldn't that make PKing more varied and fun, as well as requiring more skill?

And about 'clanning' - I'm assuming what you mean by that is PKing with a clan, as well as perhaps doing some PvM... does OSRS have citadels as well? Anyway - RS3 has all this as well.

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Like I said in the original post. I've played pre-EOC, longer grind, more vivid PKing scene - all that. I had mixed feeling about EOC when it came out. But at the end of the day - I think objectively RS3 has moved in the right direction, polishing the mechanics. I personally do not understand why majority of playerbase would be sticking so hard to what seems to me like a clunky old version of the game.

I also see people whining a lot about microtransactions. Personally I have never felt the need to pay for anything other than membership. Microtransactions in RS3 are far from bad. It's in no shape or form p2w. Most items are cosmetic, and the ones that aren't simply cut the grind. Is it easier than OSRS in general - certainly. Do people that pay ridiculous amount of money for rng lootboxes get 'free exp' - sure. But is it so bad? I don't think so. Most all of the things you can achieve without paying anything other than membership subscription, just play the game you're here to enjoy.
You see pretty much the same model for the Warframe, which is considered to be the "cutting edge f2p model" with "fairest microtransactions" and community that strongly stands for it.

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I'm not here to convert anyone. I'm here to be converted!

 

[negrita]

Okay, I get that... but...
I'd also like to say that I'm not here to bash anyone for playing OSRS, I couldn't care less to be honest. I'd just like to understand is all.

So about PKing - what's better in OSRS? RS3's EOC is certainly different, and I can understand why people were upset when it came out because... changes take time to adjust and all, but it also adds a lot of more depth to combat. Wouldn't that make PKing more varied and fun, as well as requiring more skill?

And about 'clanning' - I'm assuming what you mean by that is PKing with a clan, as well as perhaps doing some PvM... does OSRS have citadels as well? Anyway - RS3 has all this as well.

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Like I said in the original post. I've played pre-EOC, longer grind, more vivid PKing scene - all that. I had mixed feeling about EOC when it came out. But at the end of the day - I think objectively RS3 has moved in the right direction, polishing the mechanics. I personally do not understand why majority of playerbase would be sticking so hard to what seems to me like a clunky old version of the game.

I also see people whining a lot about microtransactions. Personally I have never felt the need to pay for anything other than membership. Microtransactions in RS3 are far from bad. It's in no shape or form p2w. Most items are cosmetic, and the ones that aren't simply cut the grind. Is it easier than OSRS in general - certainly. Do people that pay ridiculous amount of money for rng lootboxes get 'free exp' - sure. But is it so bad? I don't think so. Most all of the things you can achieve without paying anything other than membership subscription, just play the game you're here to enjoy.
You see pretty much the same model for the Warframe, which is considered to be the "cutting edge f2p model" with "fairest microtransactions" and community that strongly stands for it.

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I'm not here to convert anyone. I'm here to be converted!

General consesus I've seen: might as well play any other MMORPG that has PVP. It has better mechanics than RS3 plus less grinding.
I wasn't very active on RS the year leading up to EOC and never felt the need to play once EOC was released. So can't really comment. On RS3 > OSRS or the other way around.

People like the simplicity of the OSRS combat system. Why change it if that's what you like.

 

[drmanhattan]

General consesus I've seen: might as well play any other MMORPG that has PVP. It has better mechanics than RS3 plus less grinding.
I wasn't very active on RS the year leading up to EOC and never felt the need to play once EOC was released. So can't really comment. On RS3 > OSRS or the other way around.

People like the simplicity of the OSRS combat system. Why change it if that's what you like.

I don't really care for the opinions of narrow-minded fanbois. Saying go play another MMORPG that has better PVP is retarded. Runescape is an unique game combining a lot of open-ended systems. Player based economy, classless, lots of skills/activites that actually contribute to said economy, some of the best quests in any MMO etc. It's not all about graphics and PvP.
One could argue there are similar games - I guess something like EVE online is kind of in the ballpark, but some generic themepark MMO such as WoW is nothing alike. Even if it has "Better PvP" and... fishing.

What we are talking about here is RS2, and RS3. And RS has never had any hard resets. Everything has always carried on and developed upon. Version changes mostly indicate significant improvement on graphics engine - as well as bunch of natural improvements and additions we see weekly anyway. So this is where I find it kind of hard to understand why there are so many people clinging onto old-school RS.
It is natural that with time RS3 and RS2 has drifted further apart, as updates roll in regularly.

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By the way - EOC has the option to use legacy combat system which pretty much mimics the OSRS combat. But it does put you at disadvantage, even though they have tried to balance it somewhat.
Personally, I use "Revolution" which cycles trough your abilities that you can preset. It's really great way to give depth to combat, but at the same time keeping it simple. I find it just as simple as the old, or "legacy" style of combat. Your character just uses skills automatically, making the combat more dynamic and impactful. You literally drag some 6 icons onto the action bar, and play like you used to.

Of course there is also "Manual" mode which is a lot like skills/abilities in other MMO's such as WoW. "Press 1 to use this ability, Press 2 to use that ability etc." - which I think would give a lot of depth to any form of PvP for the ones looking to take every advantage of the situation.

I can certainly see the mindset of RS devs coming up with this systems, and personally I think they've done a good job trying to implement a more modern approach, while keeping true to the roots of the game.

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Again, I'm not here to bash anyone. I'd just like to understand the popularity of OSRS. I personally don't see the appeal. But seeing that it has more lively population - I wish I could. Convert me.

 

[s q u r e l]

RS3's EOC is certainly different, and I can understand why people were upset when it came out because... changes take time to adjust and all, but it also adds a lot of more depth to combat. Wouldn't that make PKing more varied and fun, as well as requiring more skill?

I can't bot skill

 

[drmanhattan]

I can't bot skill

I don't see any PKing bots.

 

[s q u r e l]

I don't see any PKing bots.

that's my point

 

[cuppajava]

I'm at work, so I'll point form this.

For me personally, my reasons are:

• I don't have the time or motivation to learn all the new stuff in rs3
• I already understand osrs
• Rs3 reminds me too much of every other mmo, and I've never enjoyed another MMO enough to stick with it
• Rs3 feels like a bloated, overdeveloped mess. Both in terms of UI, content, style, etc
• Rs3 looks like garbage compared to osrs. Let me explain. The osrs artstyle is like pixel art, simple but classic and pretty. Rs3 looks like a knockoff of some other MMO that didn't quite hit the mark. My opinion anyway.
• Nostalgia. I'm 23 and have very little interest in new games, but I still play osrs a bit and other nostalgia games. Sue me.
• Microtransactions and rs3 has no soul
• Rs3 is dying, and I don't want to grind a dying game
• Osrs is easier to write bots for by my perception? This could be wrong. I just don't understand rs3
• Most importantly, the osrs economy is less garbage and I'm trying to do small scale gold farming, so.

Wow I had more reasons than I expected tbh I should get back to work lmao

 

[drmanhattan]

that's my point

None for OSRS either. What's your point?

I'm at work, so I'll point form this.

For me personally, my reasons are:

• I don't have the time or motivation to learn all the new stuff in rs3
• I already understand osrs
• Rs3 reminds me too much of every other mmo, and I've never enjoyed another MMO enough to stick with it
• Rs3 feels like a bloated, overdeveloped mess. Both in terms of UI, content, style, etc
• Rs3 looks like garbage compared to osrs. Let me explain. The osrs artstyle is like pixel art, simple but classic and pretty. Rs3 looks like a knockoff of some other MMO that didn't quite hit the mark. My opinion anyway.
• Nostalgia. I'm 23 and have very little interest in new games, but I still play osrs a bit and other nostalgia games. Sue me.
• Microtransactions and rs3 has no soul
• Rs3 is dying, and I don't want to grind a dying game
• Osrs is easier to write bots for by my perception? This could be wrong. I just don't understand rs3
• Most importantly, the osrs economy is less garbage and I'm trying to do small scale gold farming, so.

Wow I had more reasons than I expected tbh I should get back to work lmao

Thanks for taking the time to actually write out some proper points. I've been playing RS on and off since I was 10 or 11 years old. And when I came back to RS3, having slept on transition to it - it is kind of overwhelming, but not extremely so. It's still the same game. But I can relate somewhat.

I like, your nostalgia towards the "pixel arty" visuals. I remember when custom pixel art signatures was the shit back in the day in RS communities.

I still don't agree with the microtransaction point.

Anyway, I respect your points, even if most of them are personal opinions.
Why I made this thread is because RS3 seems to be dying, and I don't like it, I dont understand it.

But most importantly, your point about OSRS economy is a strong one for me. This might make me want to give it a more serious try.

 

[s q u r e l]

None for OSRS either. What's your point?

You said: EOC means pking in rs3 requires more skill. That means pking in osrs needs less skill to play. I can't bot skill. Therefore osrs pking will be better for me because you don't have to put as much effort in to learn it.

And there are pking bots for osrs.

 

[drmanhattan]

You said: EOC means pking in rs3 requires more skill. That means pking in osrs needs less skill to play. I can't bot skill. Therefore osrs pking will be better for me because you don't have to put as much effort in to learn it.

And there are pking bots for osrs.

Fair enough. But that's my subjective opinion. I have no comparison of skill required when it comes to PKing between RS3 and OSRS. It just seems like it gives more depth to combat and thus, makes it more dynamic and fun.
That doesn't suggest in any shape or form that PKing in OSRS does not require any skill. And sure, skill cant be botted - but creating bots that are efficient and smart is the very challenge.

 

[jojo]

Much easier to understand is the biggest point anyone will make.
It feels great to get drops and the economy is much better. There is actual motivation to skill unlike rs3.
There is no double xp. You can't buy your way to a maxed account.
So what im trying to say is OSRS is a lot more rewarding when you reach a goal. Because you worked hard for it and not everyone can achieve it by buying it/ waiting for double xp events.

 

[drmanhattan]

Much easier to understand is the biggest point anyone will make.
It feels great to get drops and the economy is much better. There is actual motivation to skill unlike rs3.
There is no double xp. You can't buy your way to a maxed account.
So what im trying to say is OSRS is a lot more rewarding when you reach a goal. Because you worked hard for it and not everyone can achieve it by buying it/ waiting for double xp events.

I got to say man, I'm beginning to move over slightly. I do miss the times where any single 99 was a big deal. In RS3 there are so many maxed accounts, no to mention the ones with a couple of 99.

 

[aztecz]

Honestly I feel like myself and many others play OSRS simply because we have a lot of extra time on our hands. Being in uni and I suspect a lot of the percentage of players in RS community are in uni. They have summer and also most days while even in term; have a lot of hours to spare. I always say this to my IRL friends that actually play OSRS with me that if I wasn't playing I would simply be watching Netflix anyways, so I really do think playing is just a better way to not be bored and waste some time. I guess this is most games.

I also have realised that RS isn't what it used to be 8 years ago where not many people cared about being efficient as they do now. You can really nerd out on the statistics and strategies in RS on what is the most efficient way to level with your budget. How much you need to make, how long it will take you and so on. I think this get's people really into the game because even when having a morning coffee you can be working out these small equations and it really gets you wanting to play.

 

[drmanhattan]

Honestly I feel like myself and many others play OSRS simply because we have a lot of extra time on our hands. Being in uni and I suspect a lot of the percentage of players in RS community are in uni. They have summer and also most days while even in term; have a lot of hours to spare. I always say this to my IRL friends that actually play OSRS with me that if I wasn't playing I would simply be watching Netflix anyways, so I really do think playing is just a better way to not be bored and waste some time. I guess this is most games.

I also have realised that RS isn't what it used to be 8 years ago where not many people cared about being efficient as they do now. You can really nerd out on the statistics and strategies in RS on what is the most efficient way to level with your budget. How much you need to make, how long it will take you and so on. I think this get's people really into the game because even when having a morning coffee you can be working out these small equations and it really gets you wanting to play.

The thread is about why people are playing OSRS over RS3. Not why you like RS in general - since everything you said goes towards both versions of the game.

I also find it kind of funny, because it is said in the first post - it's the only thing in bold text - and last post I read from you was you telling people to gtfo of your thread, because you didn't find their posts "on topic enough", even though they were completely respectful, on point and fair.
But I'm not trying to attack you, just saying - "Welcome to my thread".

Instead - what I want to say is that I agree with you. And it supports what I said in one of the posts here earlier about RS being unique in general and someone saying "Go play something with better PKing and graphics instead of RS3 then" is narrow-minded fool.
People don't enjoy bare grind alone - it's the feeling of achievement once you grind your way to your goal. And to get there better be efficient and dedicated - which makes it even more satisfying in the end. That, plus actual economy makes this game really mathematical, unlike most any other themepark MMO with le epic PvP and many graphics.
I have to say - for me this is probably the main reason I enjoy(ed) this game as well.

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This is also a great moment to say that I have for the moment switched over to OSRS as well. For these very reasons. It seems like achieving a goal - even if it's like 99 defence is fulfilling and supposedly economy is better. So - thanks to @JoJo and @CuppaJava for taking the time to actually elaborate on the topic and provide valid points that in the end swayed me enough.

At the start animations and graphics alone seemed so clunky to me, plus the mechanics, it was hard to come in from RS3. But I'm starting to get used to it. And the game already feels harder even though I haven't played much - I 'have to' write a bot before every activity I undertake. And that's a good thing.

 

[maskedmouse]

Why are you playing/botting OSRS instead of RS3?

I don't like how RS3's combat is since the start of RS3.
it's just that the mechanics in RS3 are so different and I just don't like it what they did with it.
If it were OSRS with RS3 graphics, i'd certainly play that. but since it isn't I like OSRS > RS3.
The only thing I miss sometimes is summoning.

I am botting due to the time restrictions I have a day to play this game and we can all agree that RS is time consuming.
I am writing bots for the fun of it.

I had an RS2 character for a long long time, lots of quests done, high magic, mining, smithing, herblore... did the things I liked to do as a kid.
But starting over with OSRS as an adult felt like a chore, hours and hours of mining I spent as a kid just doesn't feel the same rewarding experience. So hence I bot to get lvls up, grab some coin and keep up the membership costs with bonds.