[mofiosa22]

Also @propker009 runemate and rs3 (or osrs) dont use graphics card...
 
i think it uses a little less , but not that gap between both .

 

[aidden]

The specifications you are telling him to get are way TOO OP... i'd recommend some good ram DDR4 but having the best processor? That's just not even riable it whould cost a fortune to do such a thing, having an intel i7 is good enough, split that between 3 pc's and you'll be able to run quite some bots.. maybe around 40-60 total..
Secondly another option is to take an motherboard which supports high ram slots, so you can put ram upto 132gb in it ( for example ).
Programs dont only use processor calculations but ask ram memory too, which is of most cases the issue ( what i have encountered with bots atleast on my pc )...
Processor power will be taken too, but i highly reccommend intel i7 and nothing above that, it whould be a big waste of money..
And water cooling? Hell no, issue could be high of damaging components, a well known issue that is happening to most people who use water cooling, maybe it depends on costs too.. but 1 mistake and your SCREWED!

A good base to start is:

MSI gaming pro motherboard with SOCKET 2066 ( but isn't cheap )
or msi x299 raider motherboard SOCKET 2066 ( cheaper )
msi geforce gtx 1070 8gb
feeding 750 watt
kingston hyperX 32gb DDR4 or higher depends on you
Extreme intel core i7 7740x
( and a case )
cooler for your processor and a toothpaste ( im not sure the name of it in english, to keep the processor socket cool. )
i think that whould be a nice way to start and work higher on...

I believe you mean thermal paste

 

[wet rag]

Also @propker009 runemate and rs3 (or osrs) dont use graphics card...
 
i think it uses a little less , but not that gap between both .

NXT uses gpu mainly

 

[ethanopia]

sorry as in an example build you can buy?like from amazon or something.an already made desktop

Just build it yourself.
Step 1) Find a YouTube video.
Step 2) Follow the directions. It's as easy as playing with Legos as a kid (Seriously). You literally just push stuff together until it clicks.

 

[propker009]

I believe you mean thermal paste

I have got my diplomacy on IT so, no thermal paste its called knowledge.

Also @propker009 runemate and rs3 (or osrs) dont use graphics card...
 
i think it uses a little less , but not that gap between both .

You use your GPU all the time. It's transfering all the number from your computer to your screen so you can see the picture. You used your GPU while typing this text, without the GPU you wouldn't see a single thing on the screen.
 

If he doesn't want to use servers it's the only option he has. I am waiting for my i7 8700k 32gb 3200mhz DDR4 ram setup. But that's just one pc, probably around 15 bots at the same time...

Yes i know, i have given him some components to get in order to get a decent bot farm, sometimes you have to make your way up and don't start at the top.

 

[aidden]

I have got my diplomacy on IT so, no thermal paste its called knowledge.


You use your GPU all the time. It's transfering all the number from your computer to your screen so you can see the picture. You used your GPU while typing this text, without the GPU you wouldn't see a single thing on the screen.
 


Yes i know, i have given him some components to get in order to get a decent bot farm, sometimes you have to make your way up and don't start at the top.

???? You said toothpaste or whatever they call it in english... The stuff you put between the processor and the heatsink is thermal paste...

 

[propker009]

???? You said toothpaste or whatever they call it in english... The stuff you put between the processor and the heatsink is thermal paste...

Yes that i couldnt find the word for english..
Was too lazy to go to google translate writed this from phone.

 

[yubibotter]

System Builder - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core - PCPartPicker
If you want any reasons as to why I picked the parts I did, just ask.
Might reply slowly though, currently ill.

I have got my diplomacy on IT so, no thermal paste its called knowledge.


You use your GPU all the time. It's transfering all the number from your computer to your screen so you can see the picture. You used your GPU while typing this text, without the GPU you wouldn't see a single thing on the screen.
 

I didn't bother commenting previously as I was busy but jesus dude.
7740X is an abominable processor and should only be bought if you need a high IPC machine, another factor is that your stated memory example is wholly inaccurate.
The 7740X supports a max of 64gb memory and won't support ECC, not really much reason to use the 2066 socket unless you have the money for a decent chip, it's also only dual channel.

 

[propker009]

System Builder - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core - PCPartPicker
If you want any reasons as to why I picked the parts I did, just ask.
Might reply slowly though, currently ill.


I didn't bother commenting previously as I was busy but jesus dude.
7740X is an abominable processor and should only be bought if you need a high IPC machine, another factor is that your stated memory example is wholly inaccurate.
The 7740X supports a max of 64gb memory and won't support ECC, not really much reason to use the 2066 socket unless you have the money for a decent chip, it's also only dual channel.

I dident even bother to respond on your message, which i still did through my iphone.
But oh well, pc is much better.
First of all, whats wrong with an cheaper setup?
Your providing him with an setup is which is very expensive, second of all you dident even provide him with an GPU, what you want him to run bots without one?
Hm, doesn't seem very accurate to let him start a bot farm with an integrated video chip.
Second of all, the i7 7440x is a perfect way for him to start his bot farm up, you dont start from the top directlly, every child learns start from low and build your way up.....
Yet you come here talking about my setup is not good blablabla without providing any important information, ye i could be wrong.
But i am positive that this setup fits his needs...
AND this chip isn't bad, but everyone has their opinion.

 

[yubibotter]

I dident even bother to respond on your message, which i still did through my iphone.
But oh well, pc is much better.
First of all, whats wrong with an cheaper setup?
Your providing him with an setup is which is very expensive, second of all you dident even provide him with an GPU, what you want him to run bots without one?
Hm, doesn't seem very accurate to let him start a bot farm with an integrated video chip.
Second of all, the i7 7440x is a perfect way for him to start his bot farm up, you dont start from the top directlly, every child learns start from low and build your way up.....
Yet you come here talking about my setup is not good blablabla without providing any important information, ye i could be wrong.
But i am positive that this setup fits his needs...
AND this chip isn't bad, but everyone has their opinion.

Alright so you're recommending a chip you don't actually understand, neat.
That 7740X is literally within the same price bracket as an i7-8700k which has 2 more cores and 4 more threads, inherently making it better for this type of workload.
With the 7740X you're also paying out your ass for the 2066 chipset, the board will literally be in the ballpark of $80 euros more for a low end 2066.

The fact of the matter is that your setup isn't cheaper, it uses a more expensive motherboard to house a chip that is god awful for multithreading workloads, in comparison to a i7-8700k which far surpasses it for roughly the same price and a cheaper mobo.

Also the only reason OP would need a GPU is for NXT, recommending a GTX 1070 is laughable for what is essentially a CPU/RAM bound workload.
The iGPU is perfectly capable of providing a display for bots, I can only assume you've never used one, they're not that bad compared to the god awful iGPU's we used to have.

I'm not too sure which part of my comment you didn't read.

Yet you come here talking about my setup is not good blablabla without providing any important information, ye i could be wrong

Unfortunately the fact of the matter is I did provide reasoning as to why your build is not suitable, I suggest you re-read the posts.
A 7740X costs $317 and the 8700K costs $389.
With this price margin you're looking at a newer architecture, higher IPC and more cores on a cheaper socket.

 

[propker009]

Alright so you're recommending a chip you don't actually understand, neat.
That 7740X is literally within the same price bracket as an i7-8700k which has 2 more cores and 4 more threads, inherently making it better for this type of workload.
With the 7740X you're also paying out your ass for the 2066 chipset, the board will literally be in the ballpark of $80 euros more for a low end 2066.

The fact of the matter is that your setup isn't cheaper, it uses a more expensive motherboard to house a chip that is god awful for multithreading workloads, in comparison to a i7-8700k which far surpasses it for roughly the same price and a cheaper mobo.

Also the only reason OP would need a GPU is for NXT, recommending a GTX 1070 is laughable for what is essentially a CPU/RAM bound workload.
The iGPU is perfectly capable of providing a display for bots, I can only assume you've never used one, they're not that bad compared to the god awful iGPU's we used to have.

I'm not too sure which part of my comment you didn't read.

Unfortunately the fact of the matter is I did provide reasoning as to why your build is not suitable, I suggest you re-read the posts.
A 7740X costs $317 and the 8700K costs $389.
With this price margin you're looking at a newer architecture, higher IPC and more cores on a cheaper socket.

Nevermind your right, dident searched the correct processor lawl.
But i’d suggest him to get an GPU.

 

[yubibotter]

But like i said, that doesnt make it better to do, as you state here too: My setup is more pricy, no hahhahahaha. Sorry but when i checked your build its 870-, already, mine isn’t.
I am not saying that the 8700k isn’t better i say does he need it?
Your setup is just expensive end of the story, since mine isn’t THAT expensive.
I was just send him a BUILD for his budget. I am not asuming he whould have close to 2k to spend.
Like i said too in my previous comment, every thing you see on the screen comes from the video chip, the question is osrs has graphics too which has to be shown, on how many clients will the cpu stop working regulry and starts lagging?............

It most certainly does make the 8700k better for his workload, link me an actual list of components with a price on it.

You linked a high end GPU for a workload that simply doesn't require it, again I implore you to link a priced up build because it will be more expensive.
You can try debate as much as you want, you're not bringing any numbers whatsoever into this whereas I know your build costs more due to the GPU and 2066 socket which you have absolutely no clue about.

 

[propker009]

I deffently have a clue about it and read my edited post i checked the wrong processor.
Secondly, the gpu doesnt need to be an 1070 i was giving him AN EXAMPLE of an build.
Learn to read correctly.
Without an gpu yes your cheaper, but you forgot to link him an case ( dident see it ).

 

[yubibotter]

I deffently have a clue about it and read my edited post i checked the wrong processor.
Secondly, the gpu doesnt need to be an 1070 i was giving him AN EXAMPLE of an build.
Learn to read correctly.
Without an gpu yes your cheaper, but you forgot to link him an case ( dident see it ).

Then I highly suggest you provide an actual build if you think your loose guideline was remotely applicable for OP's workload.
I didn't link a case because it's entirely up to him, cases are hardly a limiting factor and it's almost purely down to aesthetics.

If you knew anything about the 2066 socket you'd know it's ungodly expensive for even the cheapest motherboard.
And again, the GPU is not the only thing that makes my build cheaper, so once more I will suggest you list components before you try to say yours is cheaper.

 

[propker009]

Then I highly suggest you provide an actual build if you think your loose guideline was remotely applicable for OP's workload.
I didn't link a case because it's entirely up to him, cases are hardly a limiting factor and it's almost purely down to aesthetics.

If you knew anything about the 2066 socket you'd know it's ungodly expensive for even the cheapest motherboard.
And again, the GPU is not the only thing that makes my build cheaper, so once more I will suggest you list components before you try to say yours is cheaper.

Alright when i got acces to my pc i will link some...
 

Then I highly suggest you provide an actual build if you think your loose guideline was remotely applicable for OP's workload.
I didn't link a case because it's entirely up to him, cases are hardly a limiting factor and it's almost purely down to aesthetics.

If you knew anything about the 2066 socket you'd know it's ungodly expensive for even the cheapest motherboard.
And again, the GPU is not the only thing that makes my build cheaper, so once more I will suggest you list components before you try to say yours is cheaper.

MSI X299 RAIDER, socket 2066 moederbord RAID, Gb-LAN, Sound, ATX
Kingston HyperX FURY 16 GB DIMM DDR3-1866 zwart 2 x 8 GB
Intel® Core i7-7740X, 4,3 GHz (4,5 GHz Turbo Boost) socket 2066 processor Kaby Lake-X, Unlocked, WoF, Boxed
Megekko.nl, dat is zo gek nog niet!
Megekko.nl, dat is zo gek nog niet!
Total price: 858,99-, Euro

Secondly, this is without GPU, just a base price what you have provided to him, well, you so VERY expensive?
It can be cheap, if you know where to look.
Secondly, having that i7 is actually better yes, but no not cheaper. whether you own an 1151 socket doesn't make it by any change cheaper " couse you THINK the 2066 is very expensive. ".
You can find a new car in a shop ( whatever you name it ) but can get a 100% new car from second hand shop, couse the person don't like the car or want another one -.-.

Secondly, i want to educate you a little more since you come here like a super intelligent human being, first of all you state that having an intergrated video chip is good enough to run a bot farm, as you and me know ( since you are so intelligent and know what your talking about )
Intergrated video chips are, First, they’re weak. They’re intended for the demands of a desktop user who reads email, browses the web, drafts documents, not users who do more demanding things like games. Throw a modern game at an integrated GPU and it might stutter through it or, worse, just outright fail to load the game. Now think about starting a gold farm with 10 + instances running on the OSRS client OR rs3 ( NXT C++ .

Now dedicated cpus are the opposite side of the GPU spectrum, in terms of both price and performance, you’ll find dedicated GPUs. Dedicated GPUs, as the name implies, are separate pieces of hardware devoted exclusively to handling graphic processing!
In addition, an integrated GPU shares all the resources the CPU shares, including your pool of RAM. This means any graphics-heavy task you throw at the integrated system, like rendering video, playing a current generation 3D video game, or the like, will consume a hefty chunk of your system resources and there might not be enough to go around.
The biggest benefit of a dedicated GPU is performance. Not only does a dedicated graphics card have a sophisticated computer chip designed explicitly for the task of processing video, the GPU, but it also has dedicated RAM for the task (which is typically faster and better optimized for the task than your general system RAM). This increase in power benefits not only the obvious tasks (like playing video games) but also makes tasks like processing images smoother and faster. In addition to radical performance increase, dedicated GPU cards also typically offer a wider and more modern variety of video ports than your motherboard. But HEY, this will be bullshit too i assume?


OT: i can even find them cheaper but not bothered to look any further,

 

[yubibotter]

Alright when i got acces to my pc i will link some...
 


MSI X299 RAIDER, socket 2066 moederbord RAID, Gb-LAN, Sound, ATX
Kingston HyperX FURY 16 GB DIMM DDR3-1866 zwart 2 x 8 GB
Intel® Core i7-7740X, 4,3 GHz (4,5 GHz Turbo Boost) socket 2066 processor Kaby Lake-X, Unlocked, WoF, Boxed
Megekko.nl, dat is zo gek nog niet!
Megekko.nl, dat is zo gek nog niet!
Total price: 858,99-, Euro

Secondly, this is without GPU, just a base price what you have provided to him, well, you so VERY expensive?
It can be cheap, if you know where to look.
Secondly, having that i7 is actually better yes, but no not cheaper. whether you own an 1151 socket doesn't make it by any change cheaper " couse you THINK the 2066 is very expensive. ".
You can find a new car in a shop ( whatever you name it ) but can get a 100% new car from second hand shop, couse the person don't like the car or want another one -.-.

OT: i can even find them cheaper but not bothered to look any further,

Lol I don't think 2066 is expensive, it is. The chipset comes with a lot more functionality.

Also converting euros to USD, your build is still more expensive by roughly $223.
To be quite blunt you don't really have an argument here, you're not even using the same currency.
And I'm not sure I have the capability to talk to you anymore, you don't think there's a price difference between 1151 and 2066 is absolutely comical, you may well be a lost cause.

Need I bring up the fact that your system wouldn't actually work? You have no display output lol, extreme edition chips typically won't have an iGPU.
To top it off, you're picking an entirely overkill PSU that's not even bronze rated for continuous use? I needn't say more I think.

 

[propker009]

Lol I don't think 2066 is expensive, it is. The chipset comes with a lot more functionality.

Also converting euros to USD, your build is still more expensive by roughly $223.
To be quite blunt you don't really have an argument here, you're not even using the same currency.
And I'm not sure I have the capability to talk to you anymore, you don't think there's a price difference between 1151 and 2066 is absolutely comical, you may well be a lost cause.

Need I bring up the fact that your system wouldn't actually work? You have no display output lol, extreme edition chips typically won't have an iGPU.
To top it off, you're picking an entirely overkill PSU that's not even bronze rated for continuous use? I needn't say more I think.

To be honest with you, i was just making an typically easy build. You never stated to me i whould need an bronze rated feeding???
You really think i whould go for such a feeding? Nah, never done never is my plan to do that.
Secondly, you think i dident know my intel doesnt have it intergrated? GOTTA BE KIDDING ME. I just showed you the build WITHOUT an GPU the same you did.
I floored you with your way of saying to start a bot farm with intergrated gpu hahahaha.
there is no point talking with you.
Whether my currency is different then USD doesnt matter, thats the problem you have to seek out but in our country its fairly CHEAP for such an build.
So go bitch somewhere els.
My argument is very accurate and it floored you which you dont like if people outsmart you.
Like i said before, your I7 is better yes, but using intergrated GPU? Nah every well known IT expert whould disagree with you on starting a bot farm with intergrated GPU.
Now open your book please, thanks have a nice day.

 

[shadowalpha8]

@yubi botter thats an amazing build right there thank you.quick question, would this build run 50 for 10 hours or alot more than that?your Opinion would be greatly appreciated.

 

[yubibotter]

To be honest with you, i was just making an typically easy build. You never stated to me i whould need an bronze rated feeding???
You really think i whould go for such a feeding? Nah, never done never is my plan to do that.
Secondly, you think i dident know my intel doesnt have it intergrated? GOTTA BE KIDDING ME. I just showed you the build WITHOUT an GPU the same you did.
I floored you with your way of saying to start a bot farm with intergrated gpu hahahaha.
there is no point talking with you.
Whether my currency is different then USD doesnt matter, thats the problem you have to seek out but in our country its fairly CHEAP for such an build.
So go bitch somewhere els.
My argument is very accurate and it floored you which you dont like if people outsmart you.
Like i said before, your I7 is better yes, but using intergrated GPU? Nah every well known IT expert whould disagree with you on starting a bot farm with intergrated GPU.
Now open your book please, thanks have a nice day.

I wasn't expecting you to throw a tantrum lmao.
You really are a lost cause, what part of your argument is accurate? First you say your build is cheaper, then it ends up being ~$200 more as I expected. It also performs worse in multitasking workloads, which is exactly what OP is looking for.
I'm struggling to decipher exactly what you mean, but if you had no plan on recommending a woefully inefficient PSU, then why did you recommend a PSU that is exactly that?

I think I'd know if a PC needs more than an iGPU for a bot farm:
Computer hardware service
Unlike someone else we know, I'm not trying to act as though I know more than I do.

Come back with a system that actually functions, then I'll demonstrate exactly why your build is terrible, all the while being cheap which you don't seem to be able to grasp the concept of.
You keep using excuses to avoid the fact your build is worse than mine in every category, while being more expensive.

@yubi botter thats an amazing build right there thank you.quick question, would this build run 50 for 10 hours or alot more than that?your Opinion would be greatly appreciated.

It will be able to run 24/7 assuming there's no memory leaks.
I can't give you much of an estimate unless you can provide your current CPU + the most number of bots you can run with that CPU.
And for what it's worth I apologise for the above lol.

 

[propker009]

I wasn't expecting you to throw a tantrum lmao.
You really are a lost cause, what part of your argument is accurate? First you say your build is cheaper, then it ends up being ~$200 more as I expected. It also performs worse in multitasking workloads, which is exactly what OP is looking for.
I'm struggling to decipher exactly what you mean, but if you had no plan on recommending a woefully inefficient PSU, then why did you recommend a PSU that is exactly that?

I think I'd know if a PC needs more than an iGPU for a bot farm:
Computer hardware service
Unlike someone else we know, I'm not trying to act as though I know more than I do.

Come back with a system that actually functions, then I'll demonstrate exactly why your build is terrible, all the while being cheap which you don't seem to be able to grasp the concept of.
You keep using excuses to avoid the fact your build is worse than mine in every category, while being more expensive.


It will be able to run 24/7 assuming there's no memory leaks.
I can't give you much of an estimate unless you can provide your current CPU + the most number of bots you can run with that CPU.
And for what it's worth I apologise for the above lol.

Lol, you continuesly keep going with the better build o my...
Dident i state your build is better?
Like i said, your cpu is better.
I only said mine is CHEAPER and for in my country it is...
And it all depends on the actual pricing since pc components prices change regularly... zzzzzzz.

Secondly, i am just stating using an GPU gives you a more stable pc then without one.. even if the 8700k has more cores and threads doesnt mean it will actually be able to start that particular bot farm he’s doing..
the only thing from my build is the CPU, i never stated that he should get it.
I just showed him my build couse of the things I DO on it not what he’s doing.
Maybe i formulated it wrong or you cant get what i was trying to say.
Intergrated cpu’s are mostly used for the standard stuff.
But watching a YouTube video with it isn’t a problem.
But using actually an bot farm it is.
Since every game has graphics and OSRS too, not alot but it will reach his point.
And with an gpu it will be less on the CPU...
Which gives you an stable build, thats about it.
Like i said before EVERY PIXEL YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN is being handled by your GPU intergratd or standalone...